Comments for The Next-Wave http://www.the-next-wave.info Next-Wave: Church and Culture | The Next-Wave Ezine Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:05:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 Comment on Lessons from Missional Church to Tea Party By Fred Peatross by audie http://www.the-next-wave.info/2011/08/lessons-from-missional-church-to-tea-party-by-fred-peatross/comment-page-1/#comment-730 audie Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:05:36 +0000 http://www.the-next-wave.info/?p=1137#comment-730 I have nothing against electronic manuscripts, and have read such books at times, yet I still prefer a book in hand rather than on screen. And I get a bit miffed at the hint that I'm somehow behind the times, thank you very much. Your words to the Tea Party have some wisdom, but when the damage being done seems rather extensive, and the country is dying the death of a thousand papercuts, it's hard to feel all that glad that you've been able to apply only a couple of bandaids. I have nothing against electronic manuscripts, and have read such books at times, yet I still prefer a book in hand rather than on screen. And I get a bit miffed at the hint that I’m somehow behind the times, thank you very much.

Your words to the Tea Party have some wisdom, but when the damage being done seems rather extensive, and the country is dying the death of a thousand papercuts, it’s hard to feel all that glad that you’ve been able to apply only a couple of bandaids.

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Comment on Review: Erasing Hell By Francis Chan – An Important Book and Topic By Dan Kimball by Ron Krumpos http://www.the-next-wave.info/2011/07/review-erasing-hell-by-francis-chan-an-important-book-and-topic-by-dan-kimball/comment-page-1/#comment-718 Ron Krumpos Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:11:25 +0000 http://www.the-next-wave.info/?p=1125#comment-718 Which Afterlife? In 2011 world population will reach 7 billion (vs. 3 billion in 1960). There are now approximately 2.2 billion Christians. Chan and Sprinkle seem to be saying that 4.8 billion people may be facing eternal hell. Concepts of an afterlife vary between religions and among divisions of each faith. Here are three quotes from "the greatest achievement in life," my ebook on comparative mysticism: (46) Few people have been so good that they have earned eternal paradise; fewer want to go to a place where they must receive punishments for their sins. Those who do believe in resurrection of their body hope that it will be not be in its final form. Few people really want to continue to be born again and live more human lives; fewer want to be reborn in a non-human form. If you are not quite certain you want to seek divine union, consider the alternatives. (59) True mystics transcend apparent manifestations of the theatrical production called “this life.” Theirs is not simply a search for meaning, but discovery of what is, i.e. the Real underlying the seeming realities. Their objective is not heaven, gardens, paradise, or other celestial places. It is not being where the divine lives, but to be what the divine essence is here and now. (80) [referring to many non-mystics] Depending on their religious convictions, or personal beliefs, they may be born again to seek elusive perfection, go to a purgatory to work out their sins or, perhaps, pass on into oblivion. Lives are different; why not afterlives? Beliefs might become true. Which Afterlife?

In 2011 world population will reach 7 billion (vs. 3 billion in 1960). There are now approximately 2.2 billion Christians. Chan and Sprinkle seem to be saying that 4.8 billion people may be facing eternal hell.

Concepts of an afterlife vary between religions and among divisions of each faith. Here are three quotes from “the greatest achievement in life,” my ebook on comparative mysticism:

(46) Few people have been so good that they have earned eternal paradise; fewer want to go to a place where they must receive punishments for their sins. Those who do believe in resurrection of their body hope that it will be not be in its final form. Few people really want to continue to be born again and live more human lives; fewer want to be reborn in a non-human form. If you are not quite certain you want to seek divine union, consider the alternatives.

(59) True mystics transcend apparent manifestations of the theatrical production called “this life.” Theirs is not simply a search for meaning, but discovery of what is, i.e. the Real underlying the seeming realities. Their objective is not heaven, gardens, paradise, or other celestial places. It is not being where the divine lives, but to be what the divine essence is here and now.

(80) [referring to many non-mystics] Depending on their religious convictions, or personal beliefs, they may be born again to seek elusive perfection, go to a purgatory to work out their sins or, perhaps, pass on into oblivion. Lives are different; why not afterlives? Beliefs might become true.

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Comment on Is This Ad a Big Deal? by Jane Newsham http://www.the-next-wave.info/2011/05/is-this-ad-a-big-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-696 Jane Newsham Sun, 15 May 2011 23:50:35 +0000 http://www.the-next-wave.info/?p=1048#comment-696 This ad has enormous potential to bring about change. It should be shown as widely as possible. Our welcome in churches is truly a gospel issue and we all need to actively start working towards LGBT inclusion in the Church. These are exciting times, despite the tension, and our amazing, inclusive God is drawing us into an amazing, inclusive future.... This ad has enormous potential to bring about change. It should be shown as widely as possible. Our welcome in churches is truly a gospel issue and we all need to actively start working towards LGBT inclusion in the Church. These are exciting times, despite the tension, and our amazing, inclusive God is drawing us into an amazing, inclusive future….

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Comment on Does the Holy Spirit Slip People the Tongue by John Shore by Elizabeth Niederer http://www.the-next-wave.info/2011/04/does-the-holy-spirit-slip-people-the-tongue-by-john-shore/comment-page-1/#comment-672 Elizabeth Niederer Sat, 09 Apr 2011 14:38:17 +0000 http://www.the-next-wave.info/?p=968#comment-672 This is a copy of the comment I left on John's blog: I spent over thirty years in Pentecostal/AoG circles, went to Bible college/seminary in that denomination, held ministerial credentials, etc. I’m now a recovering Pentecostal . It’s a very long and still excruciatingly painful story, so I won’t “go there.” I am convinced that speaking/praying in tongues is for real–except when it isn’t, of course, and that happens often enough. People feel pressured into making something up, or participants in a service use the tongues/interpretation gig as a way to….well, to do any number of things that are not Christlike. I could tell many stories about how “spiritual gifts” are used in manipulative and downright abusive ways. But back to the real stuff. For me the question became how to define “real.” My current thoughts on tongues and other ecstatic expressions of worship center around the idea of the trance experience. There are many trance-inducing elements in the Pentecostal worship style, and IMO speaking in tongues fits nicely into that type of experience. Lots of people would take umbrage at that assertion. On one side we might have the Pentecostal worshipper who protests that trance is a fleshly thing and speaking in tongues is a spiritual thing. On another side people who do not believe in that worship style (or in God at all, or anywhere along a continuum of “not believing”) might use this concept to further denigrate the whole experience as nothing but gobbledygook, the product of a weak or disturbed mind. I see it differently. Trance is a natural, normal state of human consciousness. Some people “trance out” easier than others, and some people really enjoy a state of trance. They are unlikely to name it as such, but no matter. I’ve come to believe that what I see in a Pentecostal worship service is a bunch of people who find something spiritually valid and fulfilling in a communal trance experience. This is a copy of the comment I left on John’s blog:

I spent over thirty years in Pentecostal/AoG circles, went to Bible college/seminary in that denomination, held ministerial credentials, etc. I’m now a recovering Pentecostal . It’s a very long and still excruciatingly painful story, so I won’t “go there.”

I am convinced that speaking/praying in tongues is for real–except when it isn’t, of course, and that happens often enough. People feel pressured into making something up, or participants in a service use the tongues/interpretation gig as a way to….well, to do any number of things that are not Christlike. I could tell many stories about how “spiritual gifts” are used in manipulative and downright abusive ways.

But back to the real stuff. For me the question became how to define “real.” My current thoughts on tongues and other ecstatic expressions of worship center around the idea of the trance experience. There are many trance-inducing elements in the Pentecostal worship style, and IMO speaking in tongues fits nicely into that type of experience.

Lots of people would take umbrage at that assertion. On one side we might have the Pentecostal worshipper who protests that trance is a fleshly thing and speaking in tongues is a spiritual thing. On another side people who do not believe in that worship style (or in God at all, or anywhere along a continuum of “not believing”) might use this concept to further denigrate the whole experience as nothing but gobbledygook, the product of a weak or disturbed mind.

I see it differently. Trance is a natural, normal state of human consciousness. Some people “trance out” easier than others, and some people really enjoy a state of trance. They are unlikely to name it as such, but no matter. I’ve come to believe that what I see in a Pentecostal worship service is a bunch of people who find something spiritually valid and fulfilling in a communal trance experience.

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Comment on The Sword of the Lord: A Book Review by Bill Dahl by Erik Turnberg http://www.the-next-wave.info/2011/03/the-sword-of-the-lord-a-book-review-by-bill-dahl/comment-page-1/#comment-615 Erik Turnberg Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:57:26 +0000 http://www.the-next-wave.info/?p=948#comment-615 We're trying to recruit bloggers to review the book. If you're excited by this book come visit the website to sign up for a free copy so that you can write a review! http://swordofthelordbook.com http://andrewhimes.net We’re trying to recruit bloggers to review the book. If you’re excited by this book come visit the website to sign up for a free copy so that you can write a review!

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Comment on My Own Reality Show by Charlie Wear by Bill Dahl http://www.the-next-wave.info/2011/03/my-own-reality-show-by-charlie-wear-2/comment-page-1/#comment-612 Bill Dahl Sun, 13 Mar 2011 22:19:10 +0000 http://www.the-next-wave.info/?p=922#comment-612 Charlie - suggest you read David Brooks new book entitled "The Social Animal" where David explores the frontiers of current research in neuroscience, the power of the unconscious - and the reality of living life with 'many selves.' Charlie – suggest you read David Brooks new book entitled “The Social Animal” where David explores the frontiers of current research in neuroscience, the power of the unconscious – and the reality of living life with ‘many selves.’

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Comment on It’s Over – Trends in Churchland by Dan Kimball by Marty Cauley http://www.the-next-wave.info/2011/03/its-over-trends-in-churchland-by-dan-kimball/comment-page-1/#comment-608 Marty Cauley Wed, 09 Mar 2011 12:38:32 +0000 http://www.the-next-wave.info/?p=926#comment-608 I too have struggled with these tensions. As faithful followers of Jesus we must hold in tension being culturally relevant and theologically grounded. If we shift too far to being "relevant" we are standing on sand in the midst of the storm. Another tension is between being practical designed and spiritually centered. There is a need for an active spiritual life that can actually walk around and help us as disciples. Thanks Dan! Always insightful. I too have struggled with these tensions. As faithful followers of Jesus we must hold in tension being culturally relevant and theologically grounded. If we shift too far to being “relevant” we are standing on sand in the midst of the storm. Another tension is between being practical designed and spiritually centered. There is a need for an active spiritual life that can actually walk around and help us as disciples.

Thanks Dan! Always insightful.

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Comment on Jesus Manifesto: A Confessional Review by Calvin Miller by Tweets that mention Jesus Manifesto: A Confessional Review by Calvin Miller -- Topsy.com http://www.the-next-wave.info/2011/02/jesus-manifesto-a-confessional-review-by-calvin-miller/comment-page-1/#comment-588 Tweets that mention Jesus Manifesto: A Confessional Review by Calvin Miller -- Topsy.com Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:27:15 +0000 http://www.the-next-wave.info/?p=916#comment-588 [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Next-Wave Ezine, Casey Tygrett. Casey Tygrett said: love this from Calvin Miller http://bit.ly/g5MwVM if we could all be that charitable with what we THINK a book/author says. [...] [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Next-Wave Ezine, Casey Tygrett. Casey Tygrett said: love this from Calvin Miller http://bit.ly/g5MwVM if we could all be that charitable with what we THINK a book/author says. [...]

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Comment on I was locked up and tortured in an insane asylum: written by John Shore by Tweets that mention I was locked up and tortured in an insane asylum: written by John Shore -- Topsy.com http://www.the-next-wave.info/2011/02/i-was-locked-up-and-tortured-in-an-insane-asylum-by-john-shore/comment-page-1/#comment-583 Tweets that mention I was locked up and tortured in an insane asylum: written by John Shore -- Topsy.com Sat, 05 Feb 2011 08:18:59 +0000 http://www.the-next-wave.info/?p=898#comment-583 [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Next-Wave Ezine, Warm Southern Breeze. Warm Southern Breeze said: "I was locked up and tortured in an insane asylum." by John Shore http://t.co/BJXsvnf #faith #hope #love [...] [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Next-Wave Ezine, Warm Southern Breeze. Warm Southern Breeze said: "I was locked up and tortured in an insane asylum." by John Shore http://t.co/BJXsvnf #faith #hope #love [...]

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Comment on Feb11: Advocate by Ben Polhemus by Alan Ward http://www.the-next-wave.info/2011/02/advocate/comment-page-1/#comment-573 Alan Ward Tue, 01 Feb 2011 13:31:02 +0000 http://www.the-next-wave.info/?p=869#comment-573 I appreciated this article. Jesus crossed boundaries regularly, which is part of what seemed to make him so scandalous to the powers that be of his day. And of course for Peter to be "connected" to Jesus in that moment would have been very dangerous. I wonder if I would have run away too? I'd like to sit here and say I wouldn't but honestly I probably would. I mean it was all falling apart at that part. Everything they had hoped for seemed to be coming undone. The Messiah wasn't supposed to get arrested and killed... His head must have been spinning. These guys simply had no conception at that moment that Easter morning was coming, no matter how much Jesus had told them it would. I appreciated this article.

Jesus crossed boundaries regularly, which is part of what seemed to make him so scandalous to the powers that be of his day.

And of course for Peter to be “connected” to Jesus in that moment would have been very dangerous. I wonder if I would have run away too? I’d like to sit here and say I wouldn’t but honestly I probably would. I mean it was all falling apart at that part. Everything they had hoped for seemed to be coming undone. The Messiah wasn’t supposed to get arrested and killed… His head must have been spinning. These guys simply had no conception at that moment that Easter morning was coming, no matter how much Jesus had told them it would.

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